tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post9203248755033624123..comments2023-11-02T02:58:46.916-07:00Comments on "The Virus will be Televised." Climate change too!: We as a humanity of 8 billion people are facing major social collapse as a result of climate change impact events -- but not for another 30 generations (500 years). In the meantime...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-37035005028729566172018-09-30T08:55:46.529-07:002018-09-30T08:55:46.529-07:00Good topic Dan, thanks for posting. I like your Cl...Good topic Dan, thanks for posting. I like your CliFi thread on Facebook as well. <br />My thinking is that unless we commit to huge development of renewables, like wind, solar, wave power, geothermal... many countries will revert to the dirtiest and cheapest of all, coal. There are gigantic coal reserves remaining in North America, Australia, Asia, any many believe some of the biggest untapped coal basins are in Africa. I lean toward the expectation that sea level rise, climate shifts, such as extreme drought will result in some rather large forced migrations during my grandchildrens' lifetimes, and displacement of large populations creates a lot of problems. Just ask the folks in the northern Sahara and Syria. As George said above the big unknown is the feedback loop. Once all that methane locked in ice gets loose, all bets are off. Can we say gigantic monster hurricanes even within the next 50 years? I believe we can. <br /><br />James Aurahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03614856773249401366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-67660916994177033192018-09-30T07:44:50.529-07:002018-09-30T07:44:50.529-07:00Ah, ok. I find your rationale interesting because...Ah, ok. I find your rationale interesting because I have been thinking that the prospect of absolute doom hasn't been doing much to motivate people w.r.t. climate change. We may need to hold out the prospect of at least limited survival in the long run to give people, hmmm, a sort of "fallback hope", so that they're willing to fight for improvement. Even though we may go through peak oil, massive agricultural declines (weakened bees, subtropical droughts and desertification, etc.), sea life extinctions, and sea level rise, there will still remain vast swathes of the planet where life may be able to go on. (I've also seen some recent claims that, coal aside, there aren't enough fossil fuels left to produce steady CO2 increases down to the 22nd century, but I've got to look into those.)Jean-Louis Trudelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01502754376900703117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-82235335854980199662018-09-29T09:30:31.869-07:002018-09-29T09:30:31.869-07:00George and Jean-Louis, I am no expert and just fee...George and Jean-Louis, I am no expert and just feeling my way through this. I am not using science for my vision. You both May very well be right, too. DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-19569048698904105232018-09-29T09:26:57.803-07:002018-09-29T09:26:57.803-07:00Pure generous guess, based on what I read. Some sa...Pure generous guess, based on what I read. Some say 1000 years, others 5000. I put it as 500 merely as a window to consider. But my feeling, just personal, is that too many westerners are saying we have only ten years left. 100 years. I just want to be generous so as to give people a chance to relax and then fight fight fight. But I cannot see the future. I can only feel it. 50o years is what I feel. James Lovelace has influenced my thinking in this.DANIELBLOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05130493903696077379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-70881579878573709802018-09-29T07:59:58.784-07:002018-09-29T07:59:58.784-07:00Interesting speculation, but I also wonder where y...Interesting speculation, but I also wonder where you get the '500 year'<br />estimate. Feedback loops are very hard to predict. Odds are just as high we<br />deal with climate disaster within 100-200 years, as that 500 number. <br />So please share if you have some scientific basis for your projection. <br />There are several factors to take into consideration as well: Acidificaton of the oceans<br />will result in massive sea life die-off and a planetary shift could well come from<br />arctic and antarctic ice meltdown which could lead to any number of huge climate shift scenarios including war over resources, like food and water. Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02135954407721987196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7432323600560922370.post-46063888331604157782018-09-29T06:09:36.127-07:002018-09-29T06:09:36.127-07:00What's the basis, approximately, for 500 years...What's the basis, approximately, for 500 years rather than, say, a 50-90 years timeline?Jean-Louis Trudelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01502754376900703117noreply@blogger.com